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[SHUMAN] We've been studying fire

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since before we had electricity,

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and so we do know a lot about fire.

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There's a lot of long-term knowledge

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about how fire behaves in a system,

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how fire is good for systems,

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and why we need fire.

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But there are still fundamental questions

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about how we can study fire, how

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we can detect fire,

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and where we can detect fire.

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There's a real need for,

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identifying technology that we can use.

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You know, here,

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on an aircraft or on a sensor as well

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as, tools and technology

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that we can use in Earth orbit

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to help support proactive

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wildland fire management.

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[SHUMAN] Fire is a natural part

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of the Earth's system.

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And because fire has been

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part of the Earth

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for so many thousands of years,

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we actually have fire adapted ecosystems.

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where you have regular wildfire,

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you require fire

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for that system

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to be healthy and resilient.

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[FALKOWSKI] NASA FireSense is a project

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focused on developing

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and delivering NASA technology,

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including Earth observation data

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and modeling

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and science,

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to, land managers

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that manage wildland fire.

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[SHUMAN] This week

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we're partnering with Fort Stewart,

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which is in Georgia.

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And so an important part of the FireSense

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campaigns are these partnerships

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between a number of different types

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of, agencies and, collaborators.

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[HIERS] Everything we do,

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you know, on test and training

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ranges has potential, to start fires

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and mitigate that wildfire risk.

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more than almost

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any other federal landowner.

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[SEANOR] By keeping these fuel levels

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so low like this,

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when we do have wildfires occur,

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they can be suppressed very easily.

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military training.

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we have, several

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threatened, endangered species.

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dependent out here.

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prescribed fire on a

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basis, that maintains that habitat

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for Red-cockaded

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all these species of concern like that.

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[HIERS] So this prescribed fires

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in support of critical research

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that allows us to test and evaluate,

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various satellites

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to look at and, and study fire.

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[FALKOWSKI] The multi-scale approach

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that we're employing here at Fort

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that we've been trying to do

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in the fire science community

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and it's a very difficult thing to do

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when you're working with fire

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that's very dynamic,

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getting everything to align

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along with the satellite

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observations is sort of been

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the holy grail

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in fire science for a long time. it's

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[FURMAN] Let's go ahead and get settled in

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so we can get started on time.

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[FOWLER] The moving parts have been consistent,

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and there's quite a bit,

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[SEANOR] It's really systematic.

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before we even leave the office.

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that everything is going to meet

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[FOWLER] On the spot

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weather forecast up to 18 on the ground.

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before humidity goes down too low.

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safety is our top mission,

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and we have a lot of reviews.

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to the nth degree.

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[SEANOR] Ensuring that in the burn briefing

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again before we leave the office,

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ensuring that everything is prepped

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the way it needs to be, ensuring

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that we're going to be able

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to keep that burn in this block,

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[FOWLER] They're going to burn fast

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like they say every day.

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they're going to try to get out there

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and start burning within probably

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[WIIG] Test, test.

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[SEANOR] And then getting

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and putting that first bit of fire

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that the rest of the burn is going to go

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as we want it to. And,

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gonna work through the whole process.

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[SEANOR] Once that burn boss

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is comfortable with the distance

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that fire has backed off into the woods,

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he'll call in our helicopter,

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everything out, assess the fire behavior,

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and the firing boss in the helicopter

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will communicate with the burn boss.

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that they're both seeing,

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they'll start igniting that

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[HELICOPTER PILOT] Sound good.

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[FOWLER] We, had to transit about an hour

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making our briefings,

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then getting the aircraft off on time

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so that we could coordinate

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to meet up with the ignition

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that drops a little ping pong ball

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sized, balls out of there,

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and they contain potassium

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permanganate inside of them.

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they're injected with glycol

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for a delayed chemical reaction.

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fire and help

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just grid out the whole unit.

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[FOWLER] We were over top to capture

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at the beginning of the burn,

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all the way through the end of the burn.

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[SEANOR] This whole unit,

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this whole 12 to 1300 acres

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will be burned in about 45 minutes.

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[SHUMAN] That's really amazing.

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That you can see it

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at that level of detail.

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[SHUMAN] Oh. That's cool.

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There it is.

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[SHUMAN] So it just updated!

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[SHUMAN] So, within FireSense on

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the field campaigns for 2025

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we have coordinated satellite,

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so sensors within Earth orbit,

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we have three crewed aircraft

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with four sensors on board

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looking at information

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before the fire happens, during the fire,

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and after the fire.

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looks at different aspects of the system.

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different information.

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we can use those to improve models,

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in the long-term.

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to give information to burn crews

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so they know if they need to add

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[SEANOR] And anything that provides us

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some of it has been broken

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that continued their way of burning.

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depends on remote sensing.

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those remote sensing

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platforms and allows,

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organizations like NASA and,

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to really support the broader

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the broader fire community

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by, by really providing

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validation in the field,

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so that as, as we,

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we do so with the best

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[SHUMAN] One of the exciting parts

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is we're getting feedback

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what's happening during a fire.

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through a technician who is on the ground

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that can then talk to the burn crew

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on the fire line and provide feedback on

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what's useful, what they like,

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that shows us, you know, a regular image,

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we are able to see many more wavelengths

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because they use a diffraction grating

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that's able to split the light

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into these hundreds of wavelengths

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instead of just a few.

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[BENDER] What we're doing

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is we're measuring the light

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from the ground or sunlight

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reflected from the ground.

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So we're not sending any signal down

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but everything that's from

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is coming up

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[MISTICK] This is brand new,

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is really cutting edge.

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to have that near-real-time, product

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that we're able to provide

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to the Foresters

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and the fire managers on the ground.

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spot new wildfires

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while they were, flying.

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than we initially had anticipated.

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because due to the weather

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and the situation that was happening,

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we gave our sensor teams and our pilots

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some ability

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to make corrections in the air.

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with our, with our teams

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so that we could be dynamic

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really responsive to this

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very unplanned environment.

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[MISTICK] I was able to pull that data down

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within a few minutes

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and provide maps of new starts

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to forestry managers

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on the ground

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who are able to deploy resources

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to these wildfires.

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that near-real-time

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pace, is really critical

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for deploying resources

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and, managing those wildfires

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and protecting, property

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and things like that.

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collection,

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you have to identify the time

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that the satellite is passing over.

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And so you get persistent coverage

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with crewed aircraft

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in comparison to a satellite.

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looks at a at a fire per day,

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which, you know,

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is really useful information,

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but it doesn't have that

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high temporal frequency,

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when we can, can do this

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from aircraft and send data down

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almost immediately from the plane,

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we get that added,

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perspective of,

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of delivering that

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higher resolution time information.

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[SHUMAN] Fire is a mobile disturbance.

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And so fire impacts

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all aspects of the Earth system.

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It's going to impact the soil.

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It's going to impact the vegetation.

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It creates smoke,

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which is then carried through the air.

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The fire behavior itself

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generates its own weather.

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because of all

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of these different systems,

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we need

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different scientists who have expertise

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in all of these pieces

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and so on campaigns, we have integrated teams

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[HIERS] Collaboration is built

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into fire management.

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Whether it's, the initial attack

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mutual aid response,

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or research and development,

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we all bring certain

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perspectives, tools, technology

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to research

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and in this case to be able

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to deploy them together

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gives us synergies

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that just would not be possible

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if we go it alone.

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[SHUMAN] The way that FireSense will be

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successful is by working

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directly with local partners

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so that we can support decision

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making that they're doing on the ground.

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[ANDERSON] In other words,

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this helps us flatten out

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the training curve

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you know, fires are getting more

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and more intense, more and more severe.

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And in places where they

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it's been rare

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historically for them to be.

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So the next generation of fire scientists

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and firefighters,

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are going to have to have something

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to anchor into

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as they progressed in the future

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in changing conditions